This one is a bit more difficult to write because it is not my intention to make the man with whom we discussed issues of creationism (and there’s plenty) look like a dork. I am again simply relating what he told us and my/our reaction to it. We drove north to a small town with the sole intent of going to this museum, paying our $5 and having some questions answered. If the staff there cannot do so, that is not my problem. I can only report on what I heard.
Our conversation was too quick to really get ahold of any issue and hash it out. Partly because there were so many issues. So freaking many. Also, partly because there’s only so much you can do when you can’t even agree fundamentally on…well…anything. I call myself agnostic mainly because I am continually questioning the idea of an intelligent being ‘somewhere out there’…or maybe not even ‘out there’… and fully believe that there are more things in heaven and earth than thought of in my philosophy, Horatio. The one thing, however, that I have settled on is that I cannot believe in the existence of a Christian god (nor Islamic, nor Jewish, for that matter). I say ‘cannot’ because I’ve seen blogs that treat athiests and agnostics as if they’re stubborn children who are just unwilling to accept the idea of a supreme being. That is not at all the case. If I were to try..and if I were to say I believed in christianity and a christian god…I would be as false as a homosexual pretending to be straight or vice versa (the obvious difference being that homosexuality is likely innate and belief systems are not). There is nothing in the christian representation of ‘god’ that rings true to me and I can’t help it.
Anyway…the point of that digression is that when you come from a place where you can’t see how someone can even believe in a god, let alone create false arguments and present false evidence against a fairly scientifically solid theory such as evolution in the name of ‘him’, how can you find common enough ground to really get at the meat of the discussion…in an hour or so?
He started with the idea that most cultures (what ‘most’ means, I’m not sure…but we understood what he was getting at) have a flood story. How could that be without there actually being a flood. I told him a little story:
When I was a kid, I used to wonder if I was part of a giant experiment and, in fact, everyone except me was an incredibly sophisticated robot and I was being observed for my reactions to certain, pre-determined and designed situations. I have since found out that this is not ~that~ unique as my father, my aunt, and a handful of my friends had the same thoughts when they were small. In fact, isn’t that Jim Carrey movie The Truman Show a similar concept? Now, my dad, my aunt…it is possible that I had somehow got it from them…but I had no contact with my friend’s parents (nor the friends themselves) back then…and vice versa. It is possible for more than one person to come up with the same concept without using a ‘handing down of the legend’ explanation.
Couple this with the fact that floods are incredibly devastating and common throughout the world…you see where I’m going with this?
This conversation lead to the idea that dinosaurs (as we have come to call them) existed at the time of humans. Now, I couldn’t figure out whether they existed until about 900 years ago or exist now…that was something that lilithattack and I couldn’t quite nail down, though I think we moved quickly on to more interesting things. I will have to write more in detail about the whole ‘dinosaurs existing until the times of Shakespeare’ thing in another post…it is very interesting and I need to do some more research to detail it properly. For this post, I only want to focus on what the volunteer at the museum said to us. Again, don’t want to insult the man himself because he was very polite, but consider that he is volunteering and, well, when I’ve volunteered, I’ve been trained…so I’m assuming he got a bit of a briefing before the let him loose in the museum on his own.
He mentioned ‘people from different cultures’ with their own stories of sightings of dinosaurs. People would come back to town, camp, villages, whatever with tales of lizard-like monsters.
(Oh…it was also written on a plaque that dinosaurs were called ‘dragons’ in those olden days…)
Yes. That is definite evidence for the existence of dinosaurs during the time of humans. Because, as we all know, humans never lie, create stories, nor exagerate. Yetis, the Ogopogo, Nessie, dragons, Jenny Greenteeth, Peg Powler, the Easter Bunny and Santa are all real things because someone saw them and told others.
He told us this story (again, I’m relating this as faithfully as possible). There were these 5 men and they went fishing. They were attacked and 4 of the men fell into the water. The remaining man heard the screams of his companions and made his way back to shore…however, he eventually “went mental”.
All we were missing at that point was the sofa-fort, cheetos, and a flashlight held under his chin.
In his defense, I think he may be kicking himself for that one…I sure hope he is.