What am I doing with a blog?

Awww…heck. I dunno.

ohhh…my goodness but this hurts October 23, 2007

Filed under: misc,religion — himbly @ 9:58 am

clearly, I’m not in the 80s anymore. I have to confess, I couldn’t even watch the whole thing yet. It was too painful. I thought Ben Stein was a different man.

I just got to the part where B O’R asks why you can’t just mention in biology or science class that they’re are ‘theologians who believe that a higher power were responsible for the first life?’…

The reason, BO’R, is that it is no longer the realm of science or biology to say so. If someone wants their kids to believe, so badly, that this ‘god’ thing brought life to our planet, then what is wrong with sending them to a religious school? I went to catholic school…I took part in ‘religious studies’ classes and there I learned what Catholics believe in. I have since left that practice…but I’ve never understood what is so difficult about this.

via Pharyngula

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Creationism in Big Valley Part Four: Dragons and Dinosaurs and Cathedrals, oh my! August 25, 2007

Filed under: religion — himbly @ 5:49 pm

Ahem.

Okay…this is another part to the creationism in Big Valley series and, in truth, I think this part is neat but I don’t have a quick answer back that starts with “Science!….”

I believe, much like I explained in pt 3, in individual cultures spontaneously forming similar mythologies. The flood mythology that is common throughout different cultures need not be the result of an actual, worldwide flood. It very well could come from the fact that most cultures have experienced the devastation of floods and use that experience to explain other phenomenon. I am, however, not an anthropologist nor a sociologist so if someone out there cares to lend a hand, it would be appreciated.

What I’m also getting at is that you don’t need to see a particular monster to come up with the idea of that monster. Yetis, Sasquach, Big Foot, Abominable Snowman…same monster, different cultures and likely false for all of them. Nessie, The ogopogo, Mokele-mbembe.

I have to admit, though, what I’m about to show you is neat. Would be cool to know where these came from, and I’ve not studied enough about them to know but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t mean that dinosaurs roamed the earth with humans.

The Cambodian Stegasaurus carving.

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I can provide you with websites on these, but not much else. I’ve not even had a chance to go into it myself. Do I think that there were stegasaurus…es? …ai? anyone know the plural of stegasaurus? Well, aside from the grammar, no…I don’t think the mighty stegasaurus roamed the earth 800 years ago. Where these carvings come from…no idea. But it is kinda cool. Site 1. Site 2. Site 3. Site 4.

One thing that I can say is even if an animal such as this lasted into the time of humans, so have lots of species from the dinosaur era. My knowlege is rusty on this, but aren’t sharks from that era, too? This still doesn’t provide me with any explanation in the whole ‘young earth’ arena.

Kachina Bridge Dinosaur Petroglyph

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This one is interesting. Actually, I will show pics of one more and then I’ll have to post about this again because I’m already finding out some interesting things. I’ll give you two sites for this one. This site is a creationist site. This site, however, is not…and is where I got this photo. This photo is similar to the one that lilithattack and I saw at the museum. It has been doctored though…check it out.

Carlisle Cathedral Dinosaurs

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Again, the carving of two supposed dinosaurs in a cathedral.

Yeah…I’m going to leave this one here and come back to it because I’m already learning new stuff to talk about. Give me your thoughts on any of these, or others.

Here…I”m going to kick in another site. These links are as much for me as they are for you, gentle reader.

 

Creationism in Big Valley Part Three: Where our heroines listen to ghost tales August 23, 2007

Filed under: misc,religion — himbly @ 3:09 pm

This one is a bit more difficult to write because it is not my intention to make the man with whom we discussed issues of creationism (and there’s plenty) look like a dork. I am again simply relating what he told us and my/our reaction to it. We drove north to a small town with the sole intent of going to this museum, paying our $5 and having some questions answered. If the staff there cannot do so, that is not my problem. I can only report on what I heard.

Our conversation was too quick to really get ahold of any issue and hash it out. Partly because there were so many issues. So freaking many. Also, partly because there’s only so much you can do when you can’t even agree fundamentally on…well…anything. I call myself agnostic mainly because I am continually questioning the idea of an intelligent being ‘somewhere out there’…or maybe not even ‘out there’… and fully believe that there are more things in heaven and earth than thought of in my philosophy, Horatio. The one thing, however, that I have settled on is that I cannot believe in the existence of a Christian god (nor Islamic, nor Jewish, for that matter). I say ‘cannot’ because I’ve seen blogs that treat athiests and agnostics as if they’re stubborn children who are just unwilling to accept the idea of a supreme being. That is not at all the case. If I were to try..and if I were to say I believed in christianity and a christian god…I would be as false as a homosexual pretending to be straight or vice versa (the obvious difference being that homosexuality is likely innate and belief systems are not). There is nothing in the christian representation of ‘god’ that rings true to me and I can’t help it.

Anyway…the point of that digression is that when you come from a place where you can’t see how someone can even believe in a god, let alone create false arguments and present false evidence against a fairly scientifically solid theory such as evolution in the name of ‘him’, how can you find common enough ground to really get at the meat of the discussion…in an hour or so?

He started with the idea that most cultures (what ‘most’ means, I’m not sure…but we understood what he was getting at) have a flood story. How could that be without there actually being a flood. I told him a little story:

When I was a kid, I used to wonder if I was part of a giant experiment and, in fact, everyone except me was an incredibly sophisticated robot and I was being observed for my reactions to certain, pre-determined and designed situations. I have since found out that this is not ~that~ unique as my father, my aunt, and a handful of my friends had the same thoughts when they were small. In fact, isn’t that Jim Carrey movie The Truman Show a similar concept? Now, my dad, my aunt…it is possible that I had somehow got it from them…but I had no contact with my friend’s parents (nor the friends themselves) back then…and vice versa. It is possible for more than one person to come up with the same concept without using a ‘handing down of the legend’ explanation.

Couple this with the fact that floods are incredibly devastating and common throughout the world…you see where I’m going with this?

This conversation lead to the idea that dinosaurs (as we have come to call them) existed at the time of humans. Now, I couldn’t figure out whether they existed until about 900 years ago or exist now…that was something that lilithattack and I couldn’t quite nail down, though I think we moved quickly on to more interesting things. I will have to write more in detail about the whole ‘dinosaurs existing until the times of Shakespeare’ thing in another post…it is very interesting and I need to do some more research to detail it properly. For this post, I only want to focus on what the volunteer at the museum said to us. Again, don’t want to insult the man himself because he was very polite, but consider that he is volunteering and, well, when I’ve volunteered, I’ve been trained…so I’m assuming he got a bit of a briefing before the let him loose in the museum on his own.

He mentioned ‘people from different cultures’ with their own stories of sightings of dinosaurs. People would come back to town, camp, villages, whatever with tales of lizard-like monsters.

(Oh…it was also written on a plaque that dinosaurs were called ‘dragons’ in those olden days…)

Yes. That is definite evidence for the existence of dinosaurs during the time of humans. Because, as we all know, humans never lie, create stories, nor exagerate. Yetis, the Ogopogo, Nessie, dragons, Jenny Greenteeth, Peg Powler, the Easter Bunny and Santa are all real things because someone saw them and told others.

He told us this story (again, I’m relating this as faithfully as possible). There were these 5 men and they went fishing. They were attacked and 4 of the men fell into the water. The remaining man heard the screams of his companions and made his way back to shore…however, he eventually “went mental”.

huh?

All we were missing at that point was the sofa-fort, cheetos, and a flashlight held under his chin.

In his defense, I think he may be kicking himself for that one…I sure hope he is.

 

reflections on a great weekend August 19, 2007

Filed under: religion — himbly @ 11:57 pm

Here I sit. Sunday night with a glass of wine in front of the ol’ bloggity.

The wine is not so much for enjoyment tonight as it is for loosening the noggin’ ’cause I’ve got a bunch to say. Let’s see how this goes. I’ll start with today.

Today was quite a proud day for me as I managed for the first time in my life to run a 10K race without stopping even for a moment. If there’s a real runner reading this, that may be a ‘huh? proud? why?’ statement, but for me…although I’ve been running (badly) for a long time, I’ve finally achieved this much. Whew. I’m effing sore.

Also in wimpy news, I ended up sitting in front of the tv for the rest of the day…periodically falling asleep.

But that’s not what I actually came to talk about. What I’m here to talk about Creationism. I’m here, more specifically, to talk about my trip to the Creation Science Museum in Big Valley, Alberta with my dear friend, lilithattack.

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To be honest, I have a lot of thoughts about this museum and so it may take a post or two to get them out. I think I’ll go with the “general overview” tactic right now to be followed with some more detailed information later on. Also, I’m gonna have to be honest. I can’t find it in myself, especially after yesterday, to respect creationist views in any way. That’s actually what drove me to go. Although I knew that my own opinion would not be swayed, I wanted to find one thing…one shred…that would make me understand why anyone would take such a giant leap into ridiculousness. I found nothing.

The Creation Science Museum in Big Valley is a garage-like structure converted into a small museum dedicated to Creation “Science” which, it seems, focuses on debunking evolution rather than focusing on the biblical aspect. This is done through a complete misunderstanding of what evolution is.

Lilithattack read a passage to me from a plaque on the wall that we both came to see as the very kernel upon which this entire misunderstanding was based. Although, I can’t remember what it said exactly, I think I can accurately paraphrase. If you believe in God…the Christian God…and if you want to believe that he is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfect then you might want to believe that what he creates is perfect. If this is the case, nothing can be improved upon. If you see evolution as an improvement of a species, it follows that if it is true, that species cannot have been ‘created’ perfect. The passage lilithattack read to me essentially related this idea that a species could only ‘degrade’ rather than ‘improve’. Never the other way around. You can’t become “more perfect”.

So…in order to keep with this one thought, so many leaps away from reason and rational thought have been taken and taught. Every tiny hole in scientific thought regarding the earth as older than 6000 years (as if science thinks of itself as airtight normally) was exploited and questioned but in the most unusual ways. In fact, it was so far away from lilithattack and my way of thinking we were unable to skim anything we read. The arguments would pop out from a distant left field that, unless you read carefully, they would leave you reeling from the sucker punch. I promise you we tried to see it their way and could not find it within even the tiniest bit of us to do so.

I’ll write more on this subject as there is plenty more to tell, but for now I’m going to pack it in. I’ve got a long day of hobbling around on my sore knees tomorrow.

 

and now a little ditty on abstinence… August 17, 2007

Filed under: feminism,misc,religion — himbly @ 2:56 pm

Truth is, I was a liberal minded parent’s dream when it came to losing my virginity. I was the girl who “fell in love” (c’mon, I was 17…I was in deep deep like) and waited until she was ready before she agreed to let a very kind boy…well, you know…nail me.

It’s the truth, though. He was as sweet a boy as I could have found back then and I was completely ready.

But…if I wasn’t ready, I wish this little number would have been available to me.

(sorry, I can’t figure out how to imbed the vid)

After seeing that, I would have spraypainted “Jailbait” to the back of my jacket and ran as quickly as I could to the first shady tavern. I would have agreed to participate in acts that would have flustered Vladimir Nabokov. I would have wanted nothing to do with my virginity if that guy was going to sing about it.

(found at Pandagon)

For reals.

 

get out! the calls are coming from inside the house! (revisited) August 16, 2007

Filed under: religion — himbly @ 8:10 am

Saturday, gerbils, lilithattack (aka platypus) and I are going on a field trip to the Creationist museum in our province. Hurrah!! I am totally going to pack some jesus sandwiches (I stuck them in the fridge 3 days ago but they’ve seemed to have gone missing!!!).

Okay..yeah…I woke up 20 minutes ago. You’re not getting better jokes out of me right now.

There are often times in my life where I fix my mind against something…where I draw that line in the sand…only to have the universe eff with me and stuff it in my face in another form. Example:

Yesterday, after lilithattack and I decided that Saturday was indeed creationist museum day (then onto the gopher holes) I went about my business then scuttled off to school.

Later on in the day, I was in spanish class where my instructor, a man who I consider very clever, funny and smart, told us that he didn’t believe in evolution. He was christian and believed the world was created but if, in our compositions on the final, we were to mention evolution (I’m not sure how it will come up…it came up in the example he gave us) he would definitely respect our opinion. Wtf??

Now…this instance hasn’t changed my mind about the debate itself. My position on the topic remains steadfast against creationism or “intelligent design” and I still think those who believe in creationism are confused and stubborn. However…those people that I pictured creationists were…it’s no longer true. I am forced, out of genuine affection and admiration for some individuals, to respect their views. I am puzzled, though. What on earth would make them abandon their senses on this particular subject?

 

I never really liked Growing Pains. May 11, 2007

Filed under: religion — himbly @ 12:03 pm

I stumbled across this Nightline Faceoff God debate…featuring Kirk Cameron, some guy named Ray Comfort and two other people, Brian Sapient and Kelly (who have, apparently, withheld their actual names). These two are part of the Rational Response Squad…those who brought you the youtube denial of the holy spirit spectacular. Kirk (I’m sure most know who he is) and Ray started up The Way of the Master. Which, if I can trust the few short clips I’ve seen, is a real asspain to run into.

Okay..so, if you know me, it’s not hard to figure out who I was rooting for…except for when I realized who they were. Actually, I don’t dislike them, but I just am irritated by things like “hey..get on youtube and denounce your belief in god” and the awful intro to their debate highlights.

Yup…all athiests and agnostics drive in cars packed with their friends listening to death metal and sporting tongues out and devil horns. Wooooo! Bah. It’s only a small peeve because it kinda feeds into my memories of Catholic school where kids said they were athiest to sound tough or anti-establishment…not because they actually thought of anything to do with religion.

However…they did do well in the debate [you can catch the whole thing here]. I read a comment or two complaining that they were rude…they themselves said that they were hard on the Pro-god team. I say no. At first glance, they may have seemed harsh, but actually…I honestly think we’re just used to god people telling us we’re going to hell. It no longer sounds rude to us. They were no ruder than anyone in a debate.

Watch it…though it is a bit embarrassing, actually, when it comes clear how little research Kirk and Ray have done and what grand claims they make.