probably you’ve seen this already…poor thing.
all I’m gonna say…for now August 27, 2007
all I’m gonna say is that I’m starting to have a few twitches and twinges here and there when I hear mention of the following words:
I thought I was sailing through this…but it might be a doozy. I can’t wait to see if I totally flip out or what.
Okay…this is another part to the creationism in Big Valley series and, in truth, I think this part is neat but I don’t have a quick answer back that starts with “Science!….”
I believe, much like I explained in pt 3, in individual cultures spontaneously forming similar mythologies. The flood mythology that is common throughout different cultures need not be the result of an actual, worldwide flood. It very well could come from the fact that most cultures have experienced the devastation of floods and use that experience to explain other phenomenon. I am, however, not an anthropologist nor a sociologist so if someone out there cares to lend a hand, it would be appreciated.
What I’m also getting at is that you don’t need to see a particular monster to come up with the idea of that monster. Yetis, Sasquach, Big Foot, Abominable Snowman…same monster, different cultures and likely false for all of them. Nessie, The ogopogo, Mokele-mbembe.
I have to admit, though, what I’m about to show you is neat. Would be cool to know where these came from, and I’ve not studied enough about them to know but I’m pretty sure it doesn’t mean that dinosaurs roamed the earth with humans.
The Cambodian Stegasaurus carving.
I can provide you with websites on these, but not much else. I’ve not even had a chance to go into it myself. Do I think that there were stegasaurus…es? …ai? anyone know the plural of stegasaurus? Well, aside from the grammar, no…I don’t think the mighty stegasaurus roamed the earth 800 years ago. Where these carvings come from…no idea. But it is kinda cool. Site 1. Site 2. Site 3. Site 4.
One thing that I can say is even if an animal such as this lasted into the time of humans, so have lots of species from the dinosaur era. My knowlege is rusty on this, but aren’t sharks from that era, too? This still doesn’t provide me with any explanation in the whole ‘young earth’ arena.
Kachina Bridge Dinosaur Petroglyph
This one is interesting. Actually, I will show pics of one more and then I’ll have to post about this again because I’m already finding out some interesting things. I’ll give you two sites for this one. This site is a creationist site. This site, however, is not…and is where I got this photo. This photo is similar to the one that lilithattack and I saw at the museum. It has been doctored though…check it out.
Carlisle Cathedral Dinosaurs
Again, the carving of two supposed dinosaurs in a cathedral.
Yeah…I’m going to leave this one here and come back to it because I’m already learning new stuff to talk about. Give me your thoughts on any of these, or others.
Here…I”m going to kick in another site. These links are as much for me as they are for you, gentle reader.
Himbly’s friday youtube romp August 24, 2007
To begin this week’s romp, I need to thank lilithattack. She just put this in my comments, but I think it needs to be out for all to see:
I’m not going to go so heavy with the youtube this week, but I”ve got two more good ‘uns. One by writer David Sedaris:
And another by his sister Amy Sedaris:
I find it interesting that, in popular culture, we often refer to the sperm as a tiny tiny version of the baby swimming around in the father’s testicles. We anthropomorphize the sperm but not the egg. The egg is the ‘goal’ or the ‘destination’ of the sperm, but often seen as devoid of ‘baby making’ material. This leads, logically, to the mother’s role as nothing but an incubator for a baby that is entirely the father’s. Which, as we all know, is bullshit. It almost feeds into the idea that, as a society, we’re so freaked out that men don’t make babies that we compensate.
Just interesting. Any thoughts?
new development in creaky voice August 23, 2007
My June post on creaky voice seemed to be somewhat of a hit. Y’all ought to be ashamed of yourselves because the only reason I drew you in was because I seemed as though I was going to talk about Paris Hilton. ha!
Blackmana (blog now gone) mentioned recently that he had heard a young man do creaky voice. This was news to me but I have to report, I’ve heard it now. Interestingly enough, the first male where I noticed it was our brand new phonetics prof. Ironic because it was the old one who pointed it out to us/me. Also, I noticed it in the voice of Ira Glass and some other announcer on my current favourite podcast “This American Life“.
(holy crap..that was the first time I’ve ever seen his picture and now my sort of crush is full blown…dang.)
I love Ira Glass (even more so within the past 5 minutes) and I love This American Life. The creaky voice phenomenon has now been reduced only to a faint irritation in my books. Is that shallow of me??
This one is a bit more difficult to write because it is not my intention to make the man with whom we discussed issues of creationism (and there’s plenty) look like a dork. I am again simply relating what he told us and my/our reaction to it. We drove north to a small town with the sole intent of going to this museum, paying our $5 and having some questions answered. If the staff there cannot do so, that is not my problem. I can only report on what I heard.
Our conversation was too quick to really get ahold of any issue and hash it out. Partly because there were so many issues. So freaking many. Also, partly because there’s only so much you can do when you can’t even agree fundamentally on…well…anything. I call myself agnostic mainly because I am continually questioning the idea of an intelligent being ‘somewhere out there’…or maybe not even ‘out there’… and fully believe that there are more things in heaven and earth than thought of in my philosophy, Horatio. The one thing, however, that I have settled on is that I cannot believe in the existence of a Christian god (nor Islamic, nor Jewish, for that matter). I say ‘cannot’ because I’ve seen blogs that treat athiests and agnostics as if they’re stubborn children who are just unwilling to accept the idea of a supreme being. That is not at all the case. If I were to try..and if I were to say I believed in christianity and a christian god…I would be as false as a homosexual pretending to be straight or vice versa (the obvious difference being that homosexuality is likely innate and belief systems are not). There is nothing in the christian representation of ‘god’ that rings true to me and I can’t help it.
Anyway…the point of that digression is that when you come from a place where you can’t see how someone can even believe in a god, let alone create false arguments and present false evidence against a fairly scientifically solid theory such as evolution in the name of ‘him’, how can you find common enough ground to really get at the meat of the discussion…in an hour or so?
He started with the idea that most cultures (what ‘most’ means, I’m not sure…but we understood what he was getting at) have a flood story. How could that be without there actually being a flood. I told him a little story:
When I was a kid, I used to wonder if I was part of a giant experiment and, in fact, everyone except me was an incredibly sophisticated robot and I was being observed for my reactions to certain, pre-determined and designed situations. I have since found out that this is not ~that~ unique as my father, my aunt, and a handful of my friends had the same thoughts when they were small. In fact, isn’t that Jim Carrey movie The Truman Show a similar concept? Now, my dad, my aunt…it is possible that I had somehow got it from them…but I had no contact with my friend’s parents (nor the friends themselves) back then…and vice versa. It is possible for more than one person to come up with the same concept without using a ‘handing down of the legend’ explanation.
Couple this with the fact that floods are incredibly devastating and common throughout the world…you see where I’m going with this?
This conversation lead to the idea that dinosaurs (as we have come to call them) existed at the time of humans. Now, I couldn’t figure out whether they existed until about 900 years ago or exist now…that was something that lilithattack and I couldn’t quite nail down, though I think we moved quickly on to more interesting things. I will have to write more in detail about the whole ‘dinosaurs existing until the times of Shakespeare’ thing in another post…it is very interesting and I need to do some more research to detail it properly. For this post, I only want to focus on what the volunteer at the museum said to us. Again, don’t want to insult the man himself because he was very polite, but consider that he is volunteering and, well, when I’ve volunteered, I’ve been trained…so I’m assuming he got a bit of a briefing before the let him loose in the museum on his own.
He mentioned ‘people from different cultures’ with their own stories of sightings of dinosaurs. People would come back to town, camp, villages, whatever with tales of lizard-like monsters.
(Oh…it was also written on a plaque that dinosaurs were called ‘dragons’ in those olden days…)
Yes. That is definite evidence for the existence of dinosaurs during the time of humans. Because, as we all know, humans never lie, create stories, nor exagerate. Yetis, the Ogopogo, Nessie, dragons, Jenny Greenteeth, Peg Powler, the Easter Bunny and Santa are all real things because someone saw them and told others.
He told us this story (again, I’m relating this as faithfully as possible). There were these 5 men and they went fishing. They were attacked and 4 of the men fell into the water. The remaining man heard the screams of his companions and made his way back to shore…however, he eventually “went mental”.
All we were missing at that point was the sofa-fort, cheetos, and a flashlight held under his chin.
In his defense, I think he may be kicking himself for that one…I sure hope he is.